Given how unpleasant it is to walk on screenings with bare feet, what would your suggestion be for spaces that are greater than 3? We had a pro lay a flagstone floor. Just hose the patio down real well. They took the quick easy way outand left large gaps to be filled with sand. You can get rid of weeds easily by boiling up a pot of water in the pouring water on them. Good question. New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast. Ive been researching decomposed granite and want to use that but cannot find a place to buy it. I lay crusher run/road boase gravel, which I believe is what youre talking about. By accepting all cookies, you agree to our use of cookies to deliver and maintain our services and site, improve the quality of Reddit, personalize Reddit content and advertising, and measure the effectiveness of advertising. The mix is not a slurry and is very hard to tell from damp gravel. First, you will measure the area and check you have the correct amount of binding solution. Best way that Ive found to remove that sort of haze is to just use a power washer. Also, do not have the hose on too powerful of a setting, or you can blow the poly sand right out of the joint, and get it all over the flagstone/paver/whatever. Am thinking that doing this with decomposed granite is something that I could pay my fireman son to do in his off days. Small voids may form. Some are 10 years with no problems. I cant and dont use Round-up type products, so thats a plus, but I also want to keep the structure stable and level as lots of kids run through the yard. Hi, the home we own in Colorado has a really large flagstone patio but the previous owner never put in any fillers. IDK what the limestone flour only material is you speak of, but you should be able to find proper screenings/grit/decomposed granite/8th inch minus/crusher run/etc in your area, under one name or another. Wish Id have found you 10 years ago Id have you building my dream stacked wall. To preserve the path's beauty, simply rake over the stones regularly to keep the surface even and level. I used stone dust under as a base and then screened gravel (sand). thanks, Chris (Santa Cruz Ca). Check the weather, you will need two days of sun and dry weather. I was tempted to use the leftover poly sand from our paved project on our flagstones which already have screenings between them because after a good rain lots of stone chips pop up onto the flagstones making it unpleasant to walk on with bare feet. Using decomposed granite will help the pea gravel set and not move when people walk on it. But maybe some minor irregularity of the pitch and/or grading around the patio caused water to heavily move through one area. Im not worried about your base very much if crushed stone has already sat there for years. What do you suggest or have you had these problems also? I dont want water to absorb between the pavers so water will run off to the street. In cases of larger gaps like that, Ive had good experiences using: -larger 1-2 river rock. I use a a hammer. Pea gravel is a great material for all sorts of yard projects. I dont want to discourage you, and I totally think you can do this. Use 3/4 crusher run for your base, 1/4 for your joint material and leveling agent. Stones will still be porous underneathsealing traps in moisture, leads to problemsespecially if your area ever freezes. Once the flagstones have all been cleaned and/or replaced, then return that polymeric sand, buy some stone dust.and send me photos of the completed job when you are done! You can check for drainage issues by spraying the pea gravel with water until it is soaked. I want to re-fill the joints of my existing dry laid bluestone patio. Stone dust is the way to go for most professionally installed flagstone patios. Then, if filled with stone dust or d/g (interchangeable, I dont know of any reason why DG might work better) the cut that you made will allow water to drain. Allowing the pea gravel to dry at least 24 hours between each coat. I find cleaning up the solids simple with a disposable glove and plastic bag. While drying occurs, do not allow anyone to step on the pea gravel. We are in Ontario, Canada. Any cons to using mortar? Any ideas? If theres a concrete foundation, then sure. My solution (short of removing it) was to dig the pea gravel into the soil by about 1 spade deep. Fill the joints with stone dust/aka screenings, decomposed granite, ectthe same stuff you should use to level the stones out with. You can choose from various materials like plastic edging or metal borders. Make sure the patio is pitched hard enough. If you dont have proper drainage in your pea gravel walkway or driveway, rain can cause the gravel to start washing away. A gap much wider than half an inch will become a minor puddle spotand that water will go down into the ground. Are you stuck having someone put more in? Visible from the road, near blue Mountain Ski Resort. *also note that i do indeed also use a 4.5 grinder and/or a 14 saw, in order to achieve a tight-fit patio. Through the washing, exposed some cracks between the pavers. Not a big fan of waterproofing goop being sprayed into stone screenings either. All the flagstones should be lifted up, the sand replaced with screenings. Simple, right? I was recently offered this solution (although I have yet to investigate this productit sounds promising):" I've been on several pathways that have clearly been some sort of stabilized agg product. Polymeric sand will crack, over time. If you do find my advice useful, then please do share some of my work on whatever social media you use, especially photos of my dry stone sculpture: https://www.devineescapes.com/dry-stone-sculpture/. We currently carry sand that comes in 5 colors: brown, black, grey, red and buff. Polymers: Thickeners. Please consider it for a minute. How can I offer landscape advice if I dont know your climate? Great article and Q&As! https://www.devineescapes.com/how-to-clean-dry-laid-flagstone/%, Third heading down, How to install stone dust in between your flagstones, Basically, sweep the stone dust into the joints, sweep up the excess, hose down on shower setting, repeat. The tile company probably makes a rubber underlayment that youll want to lay on top of the 1/4 minus. Right now I am waiting for the contractor and his crew to show up to fix the problem. Another optionfit the stones so tight together so that theres really no need for filler. Must be a west coast thing. Just finished laying a patio of large natural stone2-4 thick in a shaded area. Sweep the dg into the flagstone joints, then carefully hose it downwashing small bits of dg down into any voids that may be hidden underneath the flagstone. An angle grinder or similar tool may be used. The one inch gap for pattern-cut or rectilinear flagstone.thats what I used to always do with a wet laid job. Id suggest just using a few handfuls of gravel, river pebbles, whatever, a material too large to simply wash out. Not polymeric, it doesnt harden. Thank you for your expert advice make perfect sense! We enclosed the space under our south facing deck as a sun room, hoping to grow some flowers and/or veggies year round and also have a warm sunny place to hang out for three seasons. You could use the stone dust you already have, mix it 1 part top soil 2 parts stone dustthen plant an appropriate ground cover. Well I understand that the stones may be too small. Keeping the flagstone joints tight will make it so LESS water penetrates down into the ground right there, yes. I had Arizona Flagstone Rose laid as a patio with 1/2 spacing. Hey! I have no advice nor opinions and nothing at all to say about permeable pavers. Not sure DG would drain properly with the cement base. What do you recommend for replacing the grout? I filled each joint half full and then ran a light plate compactor (with rubber protector matt between the plate and the stone this vibrated the sand down into all the voids at the bottom of each joint) then I came back through with the grout bag and filled the joint to the approximately 1/8th of an inch below the top surface of the flagstone. Hi We are going to try and repair some ancient stone walls on our Marthas Vineyard property. i am a fan of screening, but at times, find it hard on bare feet. No freeze-thaw issues. Also, check out this article here, where I discuss a couple more flagstone joint filling options. Perhaps you could take a smaller piece of stone, create a mosaic up top of thatand use the resultant piece as a smaller paving stone, set on stone dust, among your dry laid flagstones. With stone dust the most you have to do is top of the joints every once in awhile. If its dry laid, then everything should be dry laidno cement based products. I cant find anyone who sells decomposed granite. Desperately need advice for how to improve curb appeal. Have you seen this water proofing used before to settle the quarry dust? One who just happens to enjoy writing, and likes to help people. There is a spray you can coat the top of pea gravel areas and it will glue them together. You can purchase products like EasiHold or Gravel-Lok, or other epoxy coatings. Lay the 2x down on top of the trench and hammer down to tamp. We were also going to lay a screen to prevent weeds from growing through (I think below the sand, is this right?) We bought an older house last year, and what I thought was a small stone landing at the base of the old deck turned out to be an irregular limestone patio. Now, my joints were set tight, maybe half inch widewider joints than that might be an issue. I then took a blower and carefully blew away the very small amount of dust that accumulated on the open surface of the flagstone as a result of the vibrating process. Does this sound like an acceptable solution? And be sure to not overfill your jointsthe stone dust/DG should be a bit shy of the tops of your flagstones. What do you think? I had heard it was okay but am now sorry I did not check further. Bummer. It was wet out today and all the beautiful color of the flagstone was showing nicely where I have not used poly sand on the joints; but in the areas where I used poly sand it all has a dull haze and the natural colors just dont come through. Pleas re-read the above article, for my thoughts on that! A path made out of this material will be very loose, and will easily dispersed by foot traffic and weather. Im doing a small extension of a patio leading to a path about 200x18. Is the patio pitched in the right direction, and pitched consistently? After completing the digging of holes for the plants that I added, I topped the beds off with mulch and bark chips. Worried about chair legs busting through. I really liked the overall performance of Techniseal HP2 Polymetric sand; so I went with this as the final selection. What do you suggest using in the joints of a Limestone walkway (in NY)? Now I am stuck with what is the best material to fill the cracks. Now in the above drawing, on the left is 3/4 to 1 clean gravel. It is an excellent material for leveling out your flagstonesthe best in my opinion, and likewise it is the best joint filler for flagstones. I just installed a natural stone patio and was researching poly sand for filling the cracks when I came across your article. Yea, hardened into something spongeythats a polymeric sand type material. also can i just use decomposed granite to level and build the basketball court? Thank you for the responses. Come to think of it, one of the private residences in Colonial Williamsburg has a stabilized pea gravel front walk. Are there certain colors light or dark? Should be fine. They come out with new gimmicky products all the time, new products come and go. It looks like the guy was pretty lazy/rushed when he laid it as there are numerous 3 or more spaces everywhere. My plan was to go with a fairly tight joint for the whole patio but then get even tighter for the 5 feet or so immediately close to the pool.in the end, I think the entire patio got a half inch joint, maybe more like three eighths to a quarter inch, for the few feet closest to the pool, but no major difference, just a smidge tighter right by the pool. that is the stone dust that you refer to, pea gravel or something else as a filler in cracks that wide? Weed 2007, FWIW, I would forget the pebble idea for a dog run. Paver set works well. and pour the slurry atop the screenings to get the moss to grow there. I just completed a four month long project laying 800 sf of irregular Pennsylvania Blue flagstone (variable thickness stone of 1.5 to 2.25 inches think); at our house in Seattle, WA. If the flagstones were not getting slippery then I might suggest encouraging the Moss and just living with discolored flagstones and appreciating the Aged look. The 2nd link has what theyre calling decomposed granite, but given my calling around locally, I question if thats the same stuff as what you specify. Installing loose pea gravel is relatively simple compared to other hardscaping materials. With large gaps like that, this is the best that can be doneis find a way to get the slope corrected. This article is awesome and thank you very much for your expertise! A bit of a philosophical question, really. Therefore, be aware of the possibility of water running off to the edges and plan accordingly. the process of building a dry stone sphere, for me, is always a cosmic and transformitive experience. But yes, for a DG path, a border or edge material is generally necessary. Based on the photos, it seems they didnt remove all the mortar, more a partial job? We got really heavy rain and its very wet and now some of the stones move and are sloshing around in the stone dust there are no pools of water but its really soft and the lots of the stones move and almost slosh down when stepped on. It would compact into a pretty hard surface over time. I have pea gravel, QP would have packed down nice but its not friendly for barefeet. Mix up some new polymeric sand, of matching type and colormix it up in a 5 gallon bucket, like you might mix up a small batch of mortar. Fly me out there and Ill make em fit nice, get some local ahem pro to do it right or maybe try some ground cover planting. These fines harden up, almost like a binder, and after enough cycles of rain and sweeping the stuff back in, it eventually just stays there. AM I missing anything? Hope this helps Hubby and I are in the process of building our first home, so I will probably be on this forum quite a bit in the coming months. Are you trying to get a close match for the new mortar, color-wise? Pea gravel can be found in many kinds of landscapes and for various uses. Cookie Notice I have a full time job and a sheep farm and it is amazing how many people want free food just because I have a farm. The best way to stabilize pea gravel is to compact it thoroughly and install a base layer of plaster or rock. But, you came to me with a need and Id rather give you a complete answer. Thank you for bringing that updecomposed granite is yet another name for stone dust. have never once needed to replace a stone, and its maybe 800 sq ft flagstone, all told. Tree limbs, leaves and mud can end up on the driveway. Thank you for your thoughts and guidance! Also, no to weed barrier? Have you ever done the cracks in a more creative artistic way? Perfect for use in between flagstones. My husband who is a builder always goes to the product, which i always talk him out of, but cement is one that I cant seem to stop him from. AGAIN, major omission on my part. Sorry for the delayed responseIve been busy finishing up with the years work before the winter sets in. Its an old articlebut its been updated recently. Polymeric sand, in the above scenario, will either crack up, or, worse yet, it may stay solid on top, leaving that void beneath, causing more problems until the poly sand finally does crack up. 87880917 4 yr. ago. Private commission. Get home building tips, offers, and expert advice in your inbox. I used screenings to fill in between the joints. Permeable pavers also provide stability while maintaining permeability. Anyway, I like to set flagstone on a foundation of road base, also-known-as 2A/modified gravel. Heres an application that is somewhat unique, and problematic so far. In any event, it didnt get quite cleaned up enough/soon enough. Yet another name for stone dust the most you have to do is top of pea gravel water! We are going to try and repair some ancient stone walls on Marthas... 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